I imagine that it has come down to simple economics. The player already has a lot of the efx and features of its bigger brothers but at half the price. I'd say it's even pushing it to the point that it could interfere in the value of the others but that's my opinion. The unit may be able to process all the efx in the profilers but to give them away for half the price makes no business sense hence updated efx may have an after market cost associated with them. That makes the most sense since not everyone who purchases the player will need all these efx because, as the player was intended for pedal boards, those that purchase most likely have their own efx chains from preference already and don't need to purchase anything extra. But the option may be there for those that do later down the road.
Posts by CelticGibson
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You can see the list of effects on the help menu in the rig manager menu. Look for "Kemper player main manual 11.0" in the list.
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You are correct. I guess it helps to have the faster processor inside the Stage...
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Isn't it amazing how the profiler allows Paul to cover all 80 songs? 😎👍
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I would like to try some Liquid profiling with a OD stomp in front of the amp. Specifically, the BE-OD. Will the LP model loose any accuracy when adjusting the model's gain in the Kemper?
The Kemper should, in theory, accurately reproduce the response of the profiled amp with a OD going in the front if you change the gain. After all it is profiling the gain from zero to whatever you set the original gain at. Of course this is theory until someone does it and compares to a sweet spot gain level on the real amp.
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Someone (who has the beta and is familiar with profiling) could quite easily do this test: create a regular profile on whatever they consider the sweet spot of gain - say it's 6.5 - then create a liquid profile (with amp on full gain) and use the Kemper controls to reduce the gain to 6.5 on the resulting liquid profile. Does it sound the same/as good?
Same thing could be tested with respect to the tone knobs - i.e. regular profile with amp's b/m/t knobs at e.g. 6/4/7 (or whatever sounds good) vs. liquid profile (made with amp's b/t/m knobs at noon) and subsequently setting the the Kemper's modeled tonestack to to 6/4/7.
While the general response to LQP seems positive, there do seem to be some mixed reports, especially from people attempting to create their own liquid profiles. The above test(s) would help to demonstrate whether (or not) the modeled tone stacks and gain controls really are accurately replicating what the amp would do. If anyone fancied making a video with these comparisons, I've a feeling it'd get a lot of views!
"Someone (who has the beta and is familiar with profiling) could quite easily do this test: create a regular profile on whatever they consider the sweet spot of gain - say it's 6.5 - then create a liquid profile (with amp on full gain) and use the Kemper controls to reduce the gain to 6.5 on the resulting liquid profile. Does it sound the same/as good?
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If the profile was captured at a sweet spot of gain (where the gain is not set at full) and then you turn the Kemper gain above the perceived max of the profile gain, then the Kemper is guessing what the gain should sound like and it won't sound anything like the amp. Liquid profiles are profiled at max gain setting on the amp and this provides the profiler with an accurate full range of gain for the profile thus allowing you to adjust the gain to any amount within the actual range of the amp while theoretically maintaining authenticity of the amp.
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From this video, it's clear that the LP is profiled with the amp EQs set at 12o'clock position and gain up full thus disregarding the "sweet spot" settings usually applied with a regular studio profile. This should theoretically mean that you don't need more than one LP of any amp going forward...
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I can imagine new liquid profiles are going to be much more accurate than existing profiles at accurately emulating the gain structure since you have to profile at full gain on the reference amp and 12oclock on all tone controls without focusing on the sweet spot. It seems LPs allow you to dial in your sweet spot instead of one static one chosen for you by a profiler. The existing profiles will have a gain limitation built in thus limiting the range an added LP gain stack can do. That's my take on it..
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I totally get that change is part of life but it is odd they seem to have completely stopped offering something that was already available, as you suggested. Maybe there is more to the story than we will ever know.
I suppose I will just have to enjoy the ones I already have and forget about the others.
I imagine it costs to maintain a website and the sales didn't meet those costs and be able to maintain a profit from existing profiles.
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I didn't either but they do talk about how this will be more accurate.
Accurate as in the behaviour of the tonestack, not the tone itself... Nothing has changed with the underlying profile...
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It seems the usual hyperbole abounds whenever a new thing is revealed by Kemper.
There was no mention of better tone. The team never said that the tone would change in any significant way and since this is a EQ update, why would it? As far as I can see, Liquid Profiles were specifically created to allow the user have the same tonestack control over a static profile that so many complained was lacking in the profiler. Now it's a reality. No more, no less.
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Looks like Thomas is using RM 3.4.31 and OS V9.9.1
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The USB ports on the Profiler are not meant for charging. You may have damaged the port...
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By default, the USB audio feature is set to "Amp Recording" mode so you shouldn't have to change anything in the USB audio menu on the profiler. If you set your audio output on your computer to the "Profiler" and then play a YouTube video or some other source, the sound will play back through the profiler and out to your monitoring solution you use to hear your guitar.
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I never understood people who stick their noses into conversations
It's a public forum chief. I question your interpretation of "tantrum" with a response like that...
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I never understood tantrums from adults. If the owner of a company tells you that this is the way his product works and the rationale behind it then either accept it or go purchase something else. The arguments have been made and considered. That should be enough. It's not a democracy. It's a company. If you want to protest then protest with your wallets. There are other brands available that might do what you want them to do.
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Until you link clips of the recordings, we cannot rule out your monitoring solution as the issue...
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Profiles have always been interactive. It's one of the profiler's stand out features. The Clarity and Definition controls alone can change drastically the character of any profile. Other units just give you EQ to shape your sound after the fact. I imagine LPs will be an extension of the Clarity and Definition controls and allow you to alter the characteristics of the profile based on EQ curves from existing Tone stacks.