A big blocker will / should be that the Player Amp Block does *not* include any of the deep editing parameters other than Definition.
To me, that's just "neutering" for the sake of "neutering".
Don't forget also that this unit with all its [deliberate] de-engineering and [deliberate] feature omissions and neutering, is still almost %50 the cost of a stage.
and ....... add a decent Midi FSW .. ie: Morningstar MC6 Mk II ..... and then pay for some software and hardware upgrades down the track .... and well.... its just not going to stack up in terms of $$ ... i.m.h.o. ... and you'll still only have 2 x Pre [Limited] EFX blocks and 2 x Post [Limited] EFX Blocks.
and ..... you cant load Toaster / Rack / Stage Pre-sets if they use more than 4 Blocks !!!
and .... you're going to need a hefty very well isolated Pedal board P/S to run this and your other pedals ie:- just the Palyer is 9 - 12v @ 240w ... that puts it somewhere between 1A <-> 2A needed just for this pedal
This player isn't for me - I have a Stage ..... but is it true (?) that Kemper have said that at some time in the future they will release updates which add more features etc.... but you will have to pay for them ?!?!
This would be stunning to me ... and not in a good way.
I'm not aware of any 2023 modeler that charges for new features, efx, amp etc...... Fractal, L6, Boss GT, current Kemper units etc.....
I just cant see or believe that Kemper / Christoph would even consider going down this path ?
Mbritt sent out a Black Friday Deal email the other day and said once the Tour finishes he is itching to get back to releasing a whole bunch of new profiles - all of which I expect / presume will be Liquid Profiles .... my guess is min-Jan <-> Feb 24.
The other reason is that I suspect that all pack sellers are waiting for more Amp Channels to be added so an increased variety of LP Packs can be produced.
Hi! When You actulally Do a PROFILE the defalut setting is at 0.
From Manual (Stack Section pag 171) : ''With “Power Sagging” set to 0%, the original dynamic range of the PROFILE is maintained.''
So it Does Not Add (or Subtract) Anything from the actual Sag of the Amp You're Profiling.
From there You can Just Add More Power Sag.
Again From Manual: ''When you turn “Power Sagging” beyond 50%, you go beyond what can be achieved with an analog tube amp, but without losing any of the natural characteristics of the sound. At full force, “Power Sagging” can make sparkling clean notes sound louder than distorted ones, so you can use it to expand the dynamic range of the original sound.''
UPFRONT - I have no association or relationship with Thomas Dill in any way shape or form, directly or indirectly, financially or in kind. Pack was not provided or asked for and bought by myself at full price.
Hi all !
Since OS 10 came out I have been using 12 or so profiles from the 3 x Official Free Kemper LP Packs .... sounds have been stellar so far ..... all I use is a Deluxe Rev, AC15, a "Rock" Amp and a Plexi
Yesterday I bought and picked up TD's B&B Pack ...so far I have only picked and used and set up 4 of the 92 Profiles
PREFACE - I set up all my sounds / tones for live and loud FRFR use .... so I keep the low end under tight control, have a healthy degree of mid-range and keep the high end under tight control too ... if I were recording, I would set them up quite differently
Pro's
- very easy to dial in
- don't require a massive amount of Hi/Lo / Cab adjustments
- the gains scale up in a very clear and "clean" way .... and the tones have a much fuller "body" ...... really musical saturation but not congested
- AC 15 = amazing
- Plexi = amazing
- Friedman = to my utter shock = amazing ... like all Friedman's just turn the mids way down, add a bit of Bass and adjust treble to taste .... keep the Gain on the low side ... Friedman Gain is the classic case of "less is more" .. result = classic Marshall mid-gain
Con's
- none
The KPA LP free packs are great .... but .... this pack has that "something special" in it ... the time taken to dial in the Amps and the mic placement is clearly and immediately evident.
So far, I've set up only 4 profiles and they are locked in .... and there's another 88 I may not even bother going in to ... but I'm certain others will really enjoy all 92.
To my ears and fingers .... I cannot recommend this pack highly enough ..... as I sometimes say, if you cant find at least 10 - 15 workhorse day to day rock solid pro sounding tones in this pack, then maybe the KPA and LQ is not for you
Sorry… but you‘re wrong this time, too. But maybe it was my explanation, I‘ll try it again 😊:
As I said before, I profiled 6 Amps with Liquid Profiling in different variations - different Mics and Amp Settings (Channel or Input). So there are 24 different Studio Profiles (Amp & Cab) included in this Rig Pack - no other generic profiles. But Profiling was just part one - because these raw profiled Rigs with EQ at noon and maximum Gain are not really useful and need some tweaking. The goal of Liquid Profiling is, that you don‘t need to create different Profiles based on your favorite amp settings. But you need to dial in that settings afterwards.
And that’s part two: Editing and Tweaking. I took these 24 Profiles - tweaked them and also added effects to some of them. The concept is, that you get playable Rigs for various styles where no or at least less editing is necessary. And these are the 80 Rigs (40 Amp & Drive Rigs - 40 Amp & FX Rigs) that are listed in the video and on the website. They are numbered in the Rig Pack from 01 to 80. Number 81 to 92 are the 12 Direct Profiles. And the Rigs in the Performances were also created from the Liquid Profiles. With slightly different settings, optimized for stage use.
I hope that was explained a little better now 😊
Cheers, Thomas
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Got it. Lots of Liquid profiles pretty much tweaked and ready to go !!!
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=> what real-world Amp is the " The Value 3100 " (?) description of the Amps tone ? British ? American ? Classic ? Modern ?
The real name is „The Valve 3|100“ - I‘m using the Kemper fake names to not get in trouble 😉. This amp is a Bogner inspired 3-Channel Head from Italy. The Clean Channel is Fender voiced, the Crunch Channel is something between an AC30 and Plexi. And the Lead Channel is a more modern sounding high gain channel. A great and versatile amp.
=> it reads like there are 6 Liquid Profiles - I presume there is one Liquid Profile for each of the 6 Amps ?
No, there are more profiles of each amp. I used different mics (Neumann TLM-103, Royer R-10, SM-57, Beyerdynamic M-160, Sennheiser MD-421). And I profiled each channel of The Valve Amp with these mics. Some Amps have different sounding inputs (Plexi, Tweed) and I profiled them also separately. After profiling I took the mic/cab combinations that sounded best to me and there are at least three different profiles of each amp in the Rig Pack. You‘ll get all the informations on the mics/cabs in the inspector in the rig manager.
=> are these 6 Liquid Profiles Studio or DI. ?
Both! All in all there are 24 studio profiles and 12 direct profiles of these amps.
=> are the 6 Liquid Profiles done via a Load-Box or DI-tapped off the speaker ?
The direct Profiles were done with the Kemper DI placed between the amp and the cab that I used for the studio profiles. Settings on the amp were the same as with the studio profiles.
=> are the 6 Liquid Profiles done as per the KPA "recommended" settings of Gain on 10, all EQ's @ 12.00 o'clock ?
Yes! I profiled all amps with maximum Gain and all the EQ controls in noon position and added the tonestack while profiling (if available for the amp type). After the profiling sessions I tweaked everything to my favorite settings and these are the sounds that you get in the Rig Pack. For the amps that don‘t have a tonestack available (e.g. The Valve) I took one that fits to the character of the amp or the specific channel of the amp.
There is an Info-Sheet with more information on the Rigs downloadable at my website. And here are two videos from the Tones & Talks Podcast where I‘m explaining the Liquid Profiling process and you can hear some of the Profiles from the Bread & Butter Rig Pack.
Thanks very much Thomas .... super informative and great response ... your KPA education over the years has been invaluable to me / everyone
I've got some shows in the next week so will grab these after that.
That Italian Amp - I am of Italian heritage - sounds like it could be very classic but with its onw unique twists ... which is always better i.m.h.o.
Apologies for my dumbness .... am I right in saying that all up in total, there is a mix of Liquid and Generic profiles (?) and that there are more than 6 Liquid Profiles provided in the pack (?)
I'm a bit slow on this stuff sometimes so hope I have it right this time
Bread & Butter is the all-rounder Rig Pack – very suitable for top 40 musicians or guitarists who want to offer a wide range of guitar sounds on stage or when recording. The next Rig Packs will focus on a typical musical style: Classic Rock, Blues, Pop…
Here are some basic informations about the concept of the Rig Packs:
The Rig Packs are aimed at anyone who would rather spend their time playing guitar than programming and sorting sounds. Each Rig Pack contains several amp profiles created with Liquid Profiling, always suitable for the respective musical style. In addition to the pure amp profiles with puristic sounds, there are also plenty of “ready-to-rock rigs” with effects so that you can immediately have the right sound for the corresponding style of music. Of course there are also some performances tailored for use on stage.
Here is a short video with some sounds from the Bread & Butter Rig Pack:
It is with incredible pleasure that I hereby announce the release of my BM-JuMP50 plexi ’67 pack
trying to recreate the sound of a 1967 Marshall JMP50® plexi. OS10 required!!
I think the Marshall® plexi amp is probably the most imaginative amps ever made.
the kaos.bin file may not be altered but has to be placed on the stick in its original form. It is actually recommended to place the file outside of the OS update folder to allow the Profiler to boot from the stick in an emergency situation.
So the best / fullest way (?) to do this is:-
(a) => do a full backup onto a USB Stick of my Stage as I have it set up
(b) => then place the Un-Zipped [ 10.1.2 ] kaos.bin into that USB Stick's Root Directory
The then if my Stage "crashes" or I want to load my whole system onto another Kemper Stage:-
c => I place the above (a) + (b) USB stick in ... go Restore and it will load the full OS 10.1.2 as well as all my presets, performances, input, output, global etc.. settings
benifin The Profiler OS is not part of the Backup. Keep the current OS on the USB stick, too.
Thanks !
I *presume* the "kaos.bin" file (a) goes in the "OS Update" Folder in the USB Stick (?) and (b) it is the un-zipped "kaos.bin" OS File that is put in that Folder (?)
Backup saves it ALL. Is like cloning your Kemper. The only exception is the external pedal assignment if you create the backup on a Stage and restore on a Head/Rack (because they have only 2 instead of 4)
When doing a backup onto a USB Stick directly connected to my Kemper Stage ... does is back-up and save *absolutely everything* (?) -or- are there some things that are excluded (?)
F.w.i.w ..... I run OS 10.1.2 - current full public final release - and run it *only* with LP's .. and it is solid as a rock .. nothing at all to worry about.
I see possibilities… the three JMP’s are coming from a very interesting collector of extraordinary amps. Among his collection are the amps you mention…
I had a comment from one of my testers that made me very happy “it’s incredible, it looks like the amplifier is next to me, it’s crazy”
About your question, yes you did ask me before (no problem at all) and yes, it is the first option you’re stating. I leave the speaker connected!!
Thanks Bert.
Just wondering ..... have you any plans to do new Liquid Profile Packs of a
=> Deluxe Reverb and/or
=> AC15 and/or
=> AC30 and/or
=> JTM
=> or possible all (4)
Only asking as I think ^these4, along with your soon to be released 67 Plexi, would cover probably %99 of tones for %99 of Kemper Users that aren't into or want or need ultra-hard-rock or metal (?)
I don't know if I have asked you this before so my apologies if I have ....
=> when you do your Studio and DI Profiles, do you leave the real speaker connected and tap of it with a DI so your Profiles have the real speakers impedance affect embedded -or- do you use a load box (?)
Hi Ben! I fixed the issue with the demos and they are ready for your listening pleasure now. I had uploaded them earlier today but marked them private until the pack launched this evening. I forgot to make them public at first but again, they are good to go now.
The sale is sadly over but at less than a buck per liquid profile, I hope my prices remain appealing for this, and my other packs.
The difference between this and the Liquid JTM pack is a more refined gain with the DShirl with more clarity and tightness. It is exactly what you would expect from a Friedman amp and less "blunt" than the Gower Modified JTM I used for the Liquid JTM pack.
Cheers and thank you for your support!
Thanks. %100 totally fair and *very* reasonable
Firstly ... my apologies as I didn't mean to come across as ungrateful or annoying or disagreeable or a total "tight-a$$" ... that's not at all where I'm really coming from.
Your Profiles *do* sound amazing in the demo's ..... as we all know though, profiles are a very individual thing and a user wont really know how they will play and feel until they try them with their own settings / guitar / hands / ears
I am looking to grab your JTM, DS and AC30 Packs ... am only waiting for the next RM update which you said will (?) / may (?) / hopefully (?) have a small number of profiles to try out for free .... this will enable me .. and presumably others ... to try them out to know if they will "work" for my needs.
