Yea let's start the next big "controversial discussion" about the nasty tricks of fractal,neural & co..
That ended so nice and civilized last time.
Yea let's start the next big "controversial discussion" about the nasty tricks of fractal,neural & co..
That ended so nice and civilized last time.
I guess you will also be able to change the liquid profiles via the morph function with would be great in live situations for me
From all the possibilities which "appear on the horizon" and from the messages I have from friends and folks this Combination will kill it..
Imagine the crunch channel of the SLO100 and morphing.
And this with your own amp you know and not some "model" which gets "updated" every few weeks to become "more real".
Let's hope it works..
- Profile through RM. Handy but I don't make profiles often. I don't need this.
- Profile Marketplace in RM. I don't need this.
- Android Support. Even though I am an Android guy and this has been a long time coming and will be useful to many I don't need this.
- USB Audio. Another feature long overdue that will help many but I don't need this.
- Liquid Profiling (accurate tone stack with EQ and gain staging). On the surface this sounds like more of that "amp in the room" voodoo to me. The Kemper in its current form meets or exceeds all of my needs as a guitarist. The last big game changer was the Kemper Kone, Kemper Kabinet(s) and speaker imprints. A wonderful feature that... (wait for it) I had no use for.
I talked about the "liquid profiling".
If it works we will need it. It will definitely be a game changer. You'll see.
And before I forget..
All the guys saying "I don't need this".
Yeah ok. We will see.
Display MoreI sense a misunderstanding in some people's understanding of the mere greatness at reach here:
Some say that for them liquid profiles aren't a big thing, because they never had the original amps of their profiles at hand anyway and therefore don't know how all the knos in gain control and tone stack would react. As a consequence some say they're fine with the kemper controls. BUT I am afraid these people are missing out on the biggest point here:
As of now, i.e. without liquid profiles, you're basically stuck with your profile's sound "as is" with only a minimum of good tweaking options by changing gain an basic eq controls on the front of the kemper for the tiniest bit. The kemper's gain control, bass, mids, treble, presence are software based guesses of how a knob should work. By experience of many they are barely useable in all cases where you turn them more than "2-3 leds" (toaster) to the left or right. This noticeably changes the sound into the realm of "unrealistic", in some cases "not enjoyable". If you turn the knobs really far you can even create immensely weird noises within your guitar sound that have nothing to do with what any real amp in the world would do. THAT is the reason why all good profile packs give you loads of profiles for one single amp, sometimes the only difference being different gain levels. In short: A clean profile is unuseable for (higher) gain, a really dark profile cannot realistically be brightened up with the front controls (as both require big knob turns) and so forth.
Liquid profiles as they are described by CK overcome this flaw and make the knobs react as an amp. So - IF this dream comes true - one (ore a few drastically different) profiles should be enough. From there you can do everything you want with the kemper's knobs and still have it react as an amp would.
Many times at band rehearsal I have hated the discribed limitations whenever I wanted "the very amp" of a profile to have "much more gain" or "much less treble" and so on. On a real amp you just turn a knob and are good to go. Not so in the kemper world: Having to look for and switch to another profile of the same amp, only to find out that it's not yet "the one", has always been the major bummer in using a kemper and it has made day-to-day-use somewhat unsatisfying. Putting this to an end with THE SAME hardware AT NO COST is THE game changer! If it all works as we hope for than we basically get a new device for free.
Ofcourse you are right with every single word you wrote.
Wait until the first YT reviews will come with examples and all that. This will be a big event.
I wrote in my post above about liquid profiling and morphing. One thing is for sure THIS will be a lots of fun. The modeler goes into a symbiosis with the tube channel.
Ofcourse most lads still dont get this. I could say "it is to big".
If it works (I have no doubt about it) it will be huge.
I said it a 1000x during the last years.
The definition control is genius.
Liquid profiling will work because the definition control is already great. There is no doubt about this.
We will have our tube channels/tone stacks and we will have morphing and we will have the kones..all that with all the fx,UI,I/Os and whatever.
Kemper continues to do his thing. I expected "mooaaar fx & I/Os" but instead we get more ...rocknroll...
That's really,really nice.
The last 3 seconds are the most epic in guitar related YT history, though.
Indeed.
Display MoreI admit to not knowing that much about his music but his influence as part of the "big 3" ( Clapton, beck and page) is truly extraordinary.
Even though I'm not close to his music, I still feel shocked and upset at the loss of this legend.
I'm now going to make a point to listen to some of his stuff to at least retrospectively appreciate his playing.
Some suggestions would be appreciated, particularly your favorite moments or performances!
You will never see anyone who dares to cover "where were you". Never.
Hard to describe what he meant to me.
RIP
Yeah new big screen and more fx..
In the meanwhile the competition has left for the guitar synth thing and most likely soon most players will just follow this path.
That the guitar synth thing until yet was a "niche-thing for a few fusion guys" will not mean anything in the future. Things which sound great and are easy to use can become very,very fast "mainstream". And suddenly you see everyone asking for it. like it is the most normal thing. Suddenly.
Stupid question..
What other upgrades are desperately needed? we have seen upgrades for everything except modulation.
The KPA as it is is "almost perfect" and I guess the next step will be a new product. But there is absolutely no reason to hurry with this new product,the kpa and the stage are still selling like crazy. Reliable and workable like never before.
So ..most likely except a few upgrades (like a modulation upg) we will see absolutely nothing until they will be ready to present a working,reliable new product like a kpa2. Maybe 2024. If sales numbers of the kpa/stage don't drop significantly maybe later.
Somehow laney Amps do that..
For some time I was "addicted" to these kind of unforgiving sound. One of the greatest "challenge" I went though.
Laney,Orange,Hiwatt.. whatever made me "think twice" before going into that fast alternate run..
But you can't do that forever. It hurts. Only Gilbert can..
At that point, where you’re profiling individual components - that’s modeling and you may as well use a Fractal or Helix, no?
Good point. I don't know .. it depends maybe on how good this idea would work.
If it is "non-tweaker" and brings good results why not.
I will say that one of the most terrific features I know in the "history of modeler gear" for sure I would put the definition function in the KPAs amp section right on spot 2 right after the profiling feature.
If Kemper could do something similiar "magical" with a power amp sim..
I can’t see that. Surely all of that is already captured in the profile already.
Sure.
But I see a lot of direct profiles in the RM. I could imagine that this would be interesting for a lot of folks.
Following the kemper logic after the kone I could imagine a power amp sim with the most important power tube,rectifier etc simulations. Who knows..
Display MoreIts really interesting isn't, because both leave loads of questions:
1) Jim's vid he used a looper to take out variability. That in itself makes sense but also takes out any interaction
2) Jim never tried different tubes (if I remember) - I can imagine a worn tube will sound different to a new one. In other words, the tubes themselves must have a reasonably significant affect on the sound as when old or failing we can definitely hear it. I do wonder whether the switchable part of the amps are really mimicing changes in bias. Therefore I'm not surprised when AOT actually changed the valves that they sound different. They didn't answer why just that it did.
3) Jim's video didn't answer - why do the same amp, particularly vintage ones, sound different anyway. Same circuit, same tubes but still do sound different, some sweeter than others...I can guess but...
I go back to what I said. I don't think anyone is saying it has no impact...the debate is how big...I think it's the law of diminishing returns. For some people it will mean everything (Eric Johnson springs to mind) to others it's how you feel - which can be why one day you think your amp sounds amazing and the following day duff.
The only thing that changed is how you felt...
Curious!
I still think there are little gremlins in each amp, messing around with some parameters to just screw us over...it's how I explain I don't sound like Van Halen...
Same amps from the same series sound different. with the same cab/speakers..
Same guitars from the same series sound different..with same woods and same hardware..
So where does the sound come from;
Steel,wire,wood,speakers..room..rust,dirt,attrition,cables,heat,cold,malfunctions,tubes,humidity,batteries,voltage...fingers,ears,muscles,daily condition,taste,smell,drugs,booze,adrenaline and a lots of testosterone if you're a young lad..bad karma good karma.. positive vibes,negative vibes.. jing & Jang.. I could go on for ever..
So where does the sound come from;;;
The answer is very simple:
Τά πάντα ρεΐ.. or as you would say: No man ever steps in the same river twice..for it's not the same river and he's not the same man..
If we accept that we will play more and tweak & talk less.
I'm not going to talk about a video you haven't watched and listened to. Use your ears and develop your own opinion based on that.
He never says no difference. It's all about what makes a noticeable difference based on your ears.
Actually like most other musicians I use my ears and don't need clickbait videos to tell me where the sound of amps and guitars come from.
So.. In some way we agree I guess..
I only implied the arrogance because you implied he was just some internet shill looking for clicks. I don't think he deserves that.
Is this not the same guy who implied in another video that "wood doesn't matter";
If he is (and I believe he is) this guy I will not apologize.
It simply can't be that nothing really matters in the tube amp with respect to the sound, otherwise you would simply need to tweak a
fender black face to get a Mesa triple rectifier sound. As I said, I have actually been in a room with both these amps and can unequivocally say that it is not possible. It doesn't matter if you send the output of each amp to the same cab either (I have done that just to be silly).
All these kind of videos say nothing about tiny little details and 00000,1% differences which are "the whole world" to most players.
Maybe if they (all.these guys trying to say amps and woods and "all these things don't matter" would play brothers in arms or the intro of the dark side of the moon we would hear these differences.
But there is ofcourse a problem..
Strumming three chords says nothing . It is crazy even to discuss this.
And yet Eric Johnson claims that even the battery in his pedal does "the trick".
Go figure..
Actually it was me who did not claim anything yet I was accused of being "arrogant".
You somehow missed that..