Question about Pedal Pitch effect (settings for Toe Pitch)

Hello,

I'm wondering if someone can tell me what settings you can make when you assign a "toe pitch". Meaning, what gradations (how small of a pitch bend can you do for a whammy effect). The manual only says you can "set the Toe Pitch to a very low value for a dive bomb effect".

But what about using it to simulate a quarter step, half step, whole step, or anything in between bend (simulating smaller bends on a whammy bar)? I can do these pitch bend setups to any variable in Guitar Rig using the pitch pedal...and am wondering how it can work with the KPA.

Thanks very much for your help!

-Q

Thanks, Ingolf.

To clarify, I do not have a Kemper (yet) and am just getting into it so that's why I can't test this.

But you answered my question - semitones are the smallest unit, correct?

-Q

Quote from Booyah

It's pretty flexible, I set mine to go up 4 semi tones one night at an open jam to get the intro to Comfortably Numb, it tracked the chords perfectly.

Great, but to confirm, up or down, the lowest interval is a semi-tone right? Wish it was smaller actually....maybe that can be a future feature request going forward.

Quote from Ingolf

Well it IS smaller, you can go in cents as well.

Hi Ingolf,

Really??! This is fantastic and exactly what I was looking for. Are you 100% sure about this? I'm only asking because the other posters talked about semi-tones.

Thank you for your time.

Hi everyone,

I'm getting really close to buying the KPA (hoping to decide this weekend) and am just wondering if anyone can please confirm whether you can set the Toe Pitch in cents or just in semitones?

As you can see by this thread, some people said semitones, but then Ingolf mentioned cents (which is exactly what I was hoping) so I am wondering if anyone can clarify what the options are. The manual does not give this detail and I cannot find the answer or a parameter pic anywhere.

Thank you very much.

Quote from paults

The entire range of the pedal can be as wide as -24 to +24, specified in half steps.

BUT, you CAN easily get 1/4 tone bends, by setting the pedal's range to be only 1/2 step, from heel to toe:

Examples:
Heel at 0, and Toe at +1
Heel at -1 and Toe at 0
etc.

Thank you, Paults. So you are saying then that Ingolf is mistaken, right? You can only set it in half steps not in cents, correct?

My reference is that in guitar rig you can set the bend range in cents, btw.

Quote from paults

This Pitch Shifting is very accurate - it is not necessary to "correct" the pitch change range using cents, like needs to be done in other hardware/software.

If you want finer adjustments to create Pitch-based detuning, there are other Pitch effects in the Kemper, besides the Pedal Pitch. I think Ingolf had one of the other Pitch FX in mind.

Hi Paults. It's actually to use to simulate a whammy bar - that's why the setup of cents is preferred for some patches. Not worried about the accuracy as the KPA seems like a worldclass piece of equipment. More wanting to know how much control I would have to set it up with something I am used to. Oh well, I guess I can put it in as a feature request.

Quote from Ingolf

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If you want finer adjustments to create Pitch-based detuning, there are other Pitch effects in the Kemper, besides the Pedal Pitch. I think Ingolf had one of the other Pitch FX in mind.[/

That's right.
Indeed it seems I got the OP's question a little wrong, sorry for that.

No worries, I appreciate all of the input.

Quote from nightlight

It works incrementally, so if you set the range from 0 to +1, you will get a smooth change in pitch in between that range. Dead simple, you should be able to do what you're looking at with the Kemper's pitch function. It's also the only device on the market that has features like pure tuning and formant shift, so you will get better results than most other products. It also tracks beautifully, I really love the pitch FX on my unit.

Hi nightlight, are you saying the range can be set in cents (0 to +1)? Because that's what I'm looking for, not in semitones. I don't doubt the wicked math behind the function, but just trying to confirm what settings one can use for Toe Pitch range. In Guitar Rig (I know, not even in the same ballpark of a product) one can set the total range in cents. Others above are saying only in semi-tones for KPA.

Quote from nightlight

No, you cannot set the range in cents, just in semi-tones. But think of it this way. In between each semi-tone, there are 100 cents.

Now suppose you set the range from +4 higher than your guitar to +8 higher than your guitar. If you're using touch mode, playing in E and step on your expression pedal, your tone will immediately jump to G# at heel position and if you move up, you will progressively move through 400 cents till you hit C.

An easier example, if you're playing in E and the range is set from 0 to +1, when you move the pedal, it will move through 100 cents all the way up to F.

Don't get worried about cents not being there. Think of it being similar to a Digitech Whammy, rather than Guitar Rig. And remember, the quality is much better.

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Yup. Fully understand now, thank you.

FYI, this is definitely less functional than the pitch bending ability in guitar rig as when playing using an expression pedal (which I do often) to simulate a whammy pitch bend, having the ability to set the full range less than a semi tone is very valuable - so although I'm not worried about it, it is a downers a little bit.