DI-boxes suitable to create Direct Amplifier Profiles

I've been using the Live Wire Solutions SPDI Passive Direct Box.
It has a 40db pad.
Picked it up at Guitar Center $29.99
Works fine for me and I'm very picky.

EC

Don't forget the Palmer PDI-03!

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In order to create Direct Amp Profiles a DI box is required, but not every DI box is suitable for this job.

As the DI-box has to be placed between power amplifier and speaker cabinet it needs to be capable to handle such signal levels. Some DI boxes are only suitable for line level signals. Those cannot be used.

If the DI box should offer speaker simulation or attenuation, these features need to be inactive. Some DI boxes don't allow complete deactivation. Here is a list of a few DI boxes, which are suitable to create Direct Amplifier Profiles:

Millenium® DI-E
Samson® S-direct
Behringer® Ultra-DI DI600P
Art® XDirect
Behringer® GI100 Ultra-G

These are just a few prominent examples.

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Are there any variables in these DI boxes that can effect the outcome or would you say they are all equal?

I wonder can those with more experience with these type of di boxes comment on their quality and or use vs price... Also, some insight on there versatility and use for other purposes such as connecting an actual tube amp to foh... I was considering a radial JDX prior to kemper purchase

Mesa Cab Clone
Suhr Reactive Load

edit - I have been playing around with some DI profiles the last few days with the Mesa CC. its lowest DI output is mic level at -30db and I am still finding that to be fairly "hot" for the Kemper.

Haven't tried the new Suhr box yet, but I have one coming soon and will give it a go.

Also, most of the Two Notes products should work well. I am going to give the Torpedo Live a go this week and compare.

Music Store owes me some commission on a PA I sold for them, they have these S-Directs in stock, think I'll grab one.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker out of amp into "Input".
"Output/link" into speaker cab.
"Balanced Output" into Kemper Return.

What about the "Level, GND lift, Phantom" buttons?

Thanks

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I use Avalon U5

Guitartone you are right, that will work!
Set level to guitar speaker + use groundlift

im only not sure if that one includes a cab sim..it should not..and if so it should be possible to turn it off.
But i think - yes this one will work

Seems to be similar to Behringer ultra-G 100

Anyone know if a Profromance DI Box will work? It has a switch for instrument or speaker...

http://www.georgesmusic.com/AI…el-Switchable-DI-Box.html

How about this one, for us bottom-feeders.

http://www.amazon.com/Behringe…ords=behringer+direct+box

Product description says "Allows direct connection to speaker outputs with up to 3,000 Watts", but I'm concerned that the output is XLR only (excepting that "Parallel Path".) I assume you need a 1/4" output to run back to the KPA?

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How about this one, for us bottom-feeders.

http://www.amazon.com/Behringe…ords=behringer+direct+box

Product description says "Allows direct connection to speaker outputs with up to 3,000 Watts", but I'm concerned that the output is XLR only (excepting that "Parallel Path".) I assume you need a 1/4" output to run back to the KPA?

No, the Kemper's return is XLR so that is what you want for the output, not 1/4". However, I'd be concerned with the lack of a pad switch on the box you linked. For a little more money, I would recommend the Behringer GI100.

According to Behringer's website:

"You can even plug your guitar, bass or keyboard amp’s speaker output into the DI400P, which can handle ratings of up to 3,000 Watts and still deliver a perfect signal."

They also make the ULTRA-DI DI600P - with an instrument/amp input switch.

The DI400P and DI600P are passive direct boxes, so no Phantom power or battery is needed. (the GI100 requires power)

see above? Proformance?

So Paul, are you implying the DI400 will work? I can't see any benefit to the 600 over the 400 for purposes of making Direct Amp profiles.

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So Paul, are you implying the DI400 will work? I can't see any benefit to the 600 over the 400 for purposes of making Direct Amp profiles.

Not Paul by any means but yes the di400 will work

Ordering now - thanks!

I don't have any experience with Behringer Direct boxes, but the description on their website suggests it would work.

Without an instrument/speaker switch, the 400 may send a fairly hot output signal - as long as the KPA can attenuate it enough to create a profile, it looks like an inexpensive solution.

Found out the Proformance DI that I posted above does work.

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Without an instrument/speaker switch, the 400 may send a fairly hot output signal...

I don't really understand how that works. The device will allegedly handle speaker level up to 3000W, and presumably instruments as well, but no switch... so does that just happen dynamically based on impedance at the input jack or something? Mysterious. Anyway, we'll know in a couple of days when it arrives. I'll post my results here for the benefit of the other cheapskates LOL.